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From: "Gary D Chance"
To: "BBC News Channel"
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:46 PM
Subject: Danny Savage's reporting of the Edlington case has been outstanding.
It's obvious that he has mastered the facts and is passionate about the situation which has enabled him to give a comprehensive and very understandable picture of this whole situation. That was brilliant reporting at the time of sentencing.
It's the home life always, and children or those who grow into violent adults come from homes where they have been abused.
The notion of sadistic abuse derives from a feeling of powerlessness where the children cannot do anything against the adults who abuse them and seek to bully other children more vulnerable or attack adults who are more vulnerable.
This has gone on for so many years with all the things he described including breaking windows, having at young moms (vulnerable women), attacking teachers (whom the considered vulnerable), going after a woman 65 to steal her purse because it is not stopped properly.
As can be seen, what was finally done only moved them to a different location where they could go on without being suspected about their basic sadistic abuse character which had developed in their family home. In the new foster home, however well intentioned the foster parents might have been, they would still act out their violence. This was not a solution. This only provided opportunity.
The fact that they went on to abuse the two other lads on a day when they were supposed to meet with the police is quite telling. Again, feeling powerless to deal with the police, a symbol and reality of strength and power, they went off and found power "over" two young lads whom they could dominate and control with brutality by a vicious attack that went on and on.
Sadism reflects the need to dominate and control one living creature. The violence expressed here reflects that sense of powerlessness expressed in this manner although sadism is not explicitly connected with murder. They did not murder ultimately even though they stated this as their intention.
Their inherent sadism needed to be recognised as a pattern of behaviour over all the preceding years and events which they created by attacking others on a continuing basis while being allowed to go on committing these acts without effectively stopping them.
Oddly enough, the boys should not be blamed. They have to be held responsible for their behaviour, but it is the parents who are to be blamed despite what the mother shouted about it having nothing to do with her. The law must incorporate this in the future.
The great tragedy in these situations of which there are many in varying degrees is that the children are blamed not the parents. That's the big mistake. The children behave this way only because of the way that they are treated.
They imitate and act out this violent abusive training by the adults' example who are close to them by picking on the vulnerable in the same way they are picked on by being vulnerable children to the adults near them.
Appendix D to PM's 23.09.1999 Letter: Extreme Verbal Abuse Against Son of BS Who Hits, Kicks and Chokes Other Children
We've got a long way to go in getting society and the system to understand this generally and deal with it effectively. Look at my situation where this same kind of behaviour occurred, and the adults were given surveillance technology to use against me after I reported it and continued to comprehensively report it.
Letter to Prime Minister Tony Blair, Thursday, 23rd September 1999
I think that the judge's sentence should have had a longer minimum to stay in juvenile detention until they become at least 18 years old for these youths giving them the opportunity to get the help and guidance that they need with the prospect of staying out of adult detention.
Mary Flora Bell was an 11-year-old child murderer of two children. Because of one person in the penal system she was saved and redirected so that she had the motivation to develop properly. The great problem occurs when these youths go from a young offenders institution to an adult prison. That can undo all that good work which might have occurred.
I strongly object to an earlier comment that this case was an exception and not widespread in the UK. That's not true. The extreme of what has happened only brought this to the public's attention because they got caught.
The whole problem of general sadistic behaviour in the UK is widespread and can be viewed as the general rule and not the exception.
It is here in the UK where this problem exists, and where it is ignored as being acceptable to carry out brutality and cruelty indefinitely against someone as I've been experiencing for 11.5 years by those whom I reported for child abuse with their being given surveillance technology to do so.
"He's wrong," says BS the mother of the abused children still using surveillance technology against me 11 years and 5 months after it was installed against me in mid-August 1998 to watch what I write, say and do in order to attack and maintain her abuse which is supported and sustained by those in authority after I reported her family group's child abuse in May 1998 and continued to report since it went on against the children, myself and others generally.
That's the real problem with this case and others with extremes from similar characteristics that are highlighted and then belittled in terms of breadth and depth for what they reflect while not being taken as symptomatic of a widespread malaise that destroys children growing up so that they will never function well as adults becoming violent, abusive adults when they have adult power.
That was brilliant reporting and coverage, but a great deal more work and reporting needs to be done about this problem especially about horrendous hoaxes as I'm experiencing that are perpetrated for over a decade reflecting institutionalised abuse. This is the core of the problem that originates in the home which is ignored as has been the case here in Edlington.
"Hideous," says Lt Harry "Ill Eagle" Bird USMC Ret. This is the ongoing verbal abuse to which I'm subjected by the abusers using surveillance as they try to turn everything around to blame their victim so that they can continue torture abuse until death. This reflects that the problem is widespread and deep throughout the UK.
I can report it, but no one does anything about it to bring it to an end. This is a country where the fundamental standard that actually exists consists of violence, brutality and torture as acceptable and allowed to continue with extensive cover up by those in positions of authority.
That is what needs to be changed, and it can only be done through the media as an educational point which is not happening. The government is not going to do it because the government is part of the problem.
Gary
From: "Gary D Chance"
To: "BBC News Channel"
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:46 PM
Subject: Danny Savage's reporting of the Edlington case has been outstanding.
It's obvious that he has mastered the facts and is passionate about the situation which has enabled him to give a comprehensive and very understandable picture of this whole situation. That was brilliant reporting at the time of sentencing.
It's the home life always, and children or those who grow into violent adults come from homes where they have been abused.
The notion of sadistic abuse derives from a feeling of powerlessness where the children cannot do anything against the adults who abuse them and seek to bully other children more vulnerable or attack adults who are more vulnerable.
This has gone on for so many years with all the things he described including breaking windows, having at young moms (vulnerable women), attacking teachers (whom the considered vulnerable), going after a woman 65 to steal her purse because it is not stopped properly.
As can be seen, what was finally done only moved them to a different location where they could go on without being suspected about their basic sadistic abuse character which had developed in their family home. In the new foster home, however well intentioned the foster parents might have been, they would still act out their violence. This was not a solution. This only provided opportunity.
The fact that they went on to abuse the two other lads on a day when they were supposed to meet with the police is quite telling. Again, feeling powerless to deal with the police, a symbol and reality of strength and power, they went off and found power "over" two young lads whom they could dominate and control with brutality by a vicious attack that went on and on.
Sadism reflects the need to dominate and control one living creature. The violence expressed here reflects that sense of powerlessness expressed in this manner although sadism is not explicitly connected with murder. They did not murder ultimately even though they stated this as their intention.
Their inherent sadism needed to be recognised as a pattern of behaviour over all the preceding years and events which they created by attacking others on a continuing basis while being allowed to go on committing these acts without effectively stopping them.
Oddly enough, the boys should not be blamed. They have to be held responsible for their behaviour, but it is the parents who are to be blamed despite what the mother shouted about it having nothing to do with her. The law must incorporate this in the future.
The great tragedy in these situations of which there are many in varying degrees is that the children are blamed not the parents. That's the big mistake. The children behave this way only because of the way that they are treated.
They imitate and act out this violent abusive training by the adults' example who are close to them by picking on the vulnerable in the same way they are picked on by being vulnerable children to the adults near them.
Appendix D to PM's 23.09.1999 Letter: Extreme Verbal Abuse Against Son of BS Who Hits, Kicks and Chokes Other Children
We've got a long way to go in getting society and the system to understand this generally and deal with it effectively. Look at my situation where this same kind of behaviour occurred, and the adults were given surveillance technology to use against me after I reported it and continued to comprehensively report it.
Letter to Prime Minister Tony Blair, Thursday, 23rd September 1999
I think that the judge's sentence should have had a longer minimum to stay in juvenile detention until they become at least 18 years old for these youths giving them the opportunity to get the help and guidance that they need with the prospect of staying out of adult detention.
Mary Flora Bell was an 11-year-old child murderer of two children. Because of one person in the penal system she was saved and redirected so that she had the motivation to develop properly. The great problem occurs when these youths go from a young offenders institution to an adult prison. That can undo all that good work which might have occurred.
I strongly object to an earlier comment that this case was an exception and not widespread in the UK. That's not true. The extreme of what has happened only brought this to the public's attention because they got caught.
The whole problem of general sadistic behaviour in the UK is widespread and can be viewed as the general rule and not the exception.
It is here in the UK where this problem exists, and where it is ignored as being acceptable to carry out brutality and cruelty indefinitely against someone as I've been experiencing for 11.5 years by those whom I reported for child abuse with their being given surveillance technology to do so.
"He's wrong," says BS the mother of the abused children still using surveillance technology against me 11 years and 5 months after it was installed against me in mid-August 1998 to watch what I write, say and do in order to attack and maintain her abuse which is supported and sustained by those in authority after I reported her family group's child abuse in May 1998 and continued to report since it went on against the children, myself and others generally.
That's the real problem with this case and others with extremes from similar characteristics that are highlighted and then belittled in terms of breadth and depth for what they reflect while not being taken as symptomatic of a widespread malaise that destroys children growing up so that they will never function well as adults becoming violent, abusive adults when they have adult power.
That was brilliant reporting and coverage, but a great deal more work and reporting needs to be done about this problem especially about horrendous hoaxes as I'm experiencing that are perpetrated for over a decade reflecting institutionalised abuse. This is the core of the problem that originates in the home which is ignored as has been the case here in Edlington.
"Hideous," says Lt Harry "Ill Eagle" Bird USMC Ret. This is the ongoing verbal abuse to which I'm subjected by the abusers using surveillance as they try to turn everything around to blame their victim so that they can continue torture abuse until death. This reflects that the problem is widespread and deep throughout the UK.
I can report it, but no one does anything about it to bring it to an end. This is a country where the fundamental standard that actually exists consists of violence, brutality and torture as acceptable and allowed to continue with extensive cover up by those in positions of authority.
That is what needs to be changed, and it can only be done through the media as an educational point which is not happening. The government is not going to do it because the government is part of the problem.
Gary
